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i belive when we die are asleep until Gods second coming what do yall think and here are some versus on why i think this? these shall get the ball roling

If we immediately go to heaven or hell when we die, why do we need a judgment? Hasn't the decision already been made by God at the moment we die as to whether we are righteous or unrighteous?

Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.
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Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10 The dead don't know anything.

Ps. 6:5 In death there is no remembrance of God


Cor. 15:51-54 We receive immortality when Jesus comes again.

Acts 2:34 David did not ascend to heaven at death, but awaits the coming of Jesus and the first resurrection

John 14:2,3 "I go to prepare a place for you. And I will come to get you and take you where I am." Why does He have to come and get them if they are already in heaven?

1 Thess 4:16-18 Why do the righteous dead have to rise at the resurrection if they're already in heaven?

Acts 17:31 The world will be judged on an "appointed day." You can't go to heaven until God makes a judgment on your case. Obviously it doesn't happen when each person dies.

Rev. 20:12 Why is there a FUTURE judgment if everyone is already in heaven or hell? They must have been "judged" already on an individual basis at the moment they died.


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I've heard both sides and and I don't really have a true answer.No one wants to think about dying and not know whats going on.I like to think that when you die you go to a place of rest and be there with the other christians knowing the day of the lord will soon. Maybe the people who are lost may not know anything till the day of judgement. Just simple way of hoping that is the way.

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What will the time between dying and being present before God feel like to us? If we are in a state of sleep then how will that work as far as what we are or aren't aware of? Not really sure how that will matter to a dead person. What i am getting at is sometimes when I take a short Sunday nap I wake up and it feels like hours have gone by but I look at a clock and it is twenty minutes. Other times a full nights sleep clicks by like nothing and I feel like I just went to bed. So what will it matter to us who are dead? We are going to a place where time is not measured in earth orbit years, hours, minutes and seconds. My take on it is that once you die then next thing you are gong to be aware of is to be in God's presence. What happens from that point on is based on what you put your faith in. Everyone who trusted in being good won't have been good enough, only Jesus blood and righteousness will be the way to the Father. Reminds me of the hymn..... On Christ the solid Rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand...all other ground is sinking sand.

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willseeyalater wrote:
What will the time between dying and being present before God feel like to us? If we are in a state of sleep then how will that work as far as what we are or aren't aware of? Not really sure how that will matter to a dead person. What i am getting at is sometimes when I take a short Sunday nap I wake up and it feels like hours have gone by but I look at a clock and it is twenty minutes. Other times a full nights sleep clicks by like nothing and I feel like I just went to bed. So what will it matter to us who are dead? We are going to a place where time is not measured in earth orbit years, hours, minutes and seconds. My take on it is that once you die then next thing you are gong to be aware of is to be in God's presence. What happens from that point on is based on what you put your faith in. Everyone who trusted in being good won't have been good enough, only Jesus blood and righteousness will be the way to the Father. Reminds me of the hymn..... On Christ the solid Rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand...all other ground is sinking sand.


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I've heard it explained that the judgement Christians face is judgement of their deeds during life, not a decision regarding their salvation. This would be when rewards (crowns) are given for things done in Christ and the other things are done away with (as passing through fire.) Nice to know that I (I believe) won't have to remember all that garbage. Sorry I can't remember the verses, it's late and I'm tired. I also can't get my bible or concordance because I might wake up my wife.
The issue of your salvation is decided here on earth during your life. The unsaved will face judgement, almost like a trial, except there won't be any lawyers or jurors. The truth of what God says about the way their lives were lived, and their refusal to accept what Christ did for us all, will be undeniable. No need for lawyers and jurors. Just God telling the truth and everyone knowing it's true. At that point, no one will be able to deny the justice or correctness of their eternal destiny.
That's my take on the judgement of believers issue. I'm too tired right now to think on the soul sleep thing. Maybe tomorrow.


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luke 23:43 thats all i know. :D


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The spirit doesn't die/"sleep". The body "sleeps" in the grave until changed and reunited with spirit. Christians are conscious after death and "present with the Lord" and aware of others.


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Jesus told the slave that he would be with him today in paradise I think that the saved go to paradise and to unsaved go to Hades until Jesus comes back


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Paradise isn't heaven. It was part of hell, the part known as "Abraham's bosom". Christ didn't go to heaven when he died. That is why he said the one person not to touch Him because He had not yet risen to the Father.

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He is in heaven now at the right hand of the father and the bible says to be absent from the bible is to be present with the lord


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GoatFarmer wrote:
i belive when we die are asleep until Gods second coming what do yall think and here are some versus on why i think this? these shall get the ball roling

If we immediately go to heaven or hell when we die, why do we need a judgment? Hasn't the decision already been made by God at the moment we die as to whether we are righteous or unrighteous?

Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.
Ecclesiastes 9:5

Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10 The dead don't know anything.

Ps. 6:5 In death there is no remembrance of God


Cor. 15:51-54 We receive immortality when Jesus comes again.

Acts 2:34 David did not ascend to heaven at death, but awaits the coming of Jesus and the first resurrection

John 14:2,3 "I go to prepare a place for you. And I will come to get you and take you where I am." Why does He have to come and get them if they are already in heaven?

1 Thess 4:16-18 Why do the righteous dead have to rise at the resurrection if they're already in heaven?

Acts 17:31 The world will be judged on an "appointed day." You can't go to heaven until God makes a judgment on your case. Obviously it doesn't happen when each person dies.

Rev. 20:12 Why is there a FUTURE judgment if everyone is already in heaven or hell? They must have been "judged" already on an individual basis at the moment they died.

There will be many judgements you are talkin about the great white thrown judgement and that will happen after the second coming


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