What was the name of the very first hard time dog in the english breed?

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hayes hardtime speck

can you link him to finley river chief a walker dog i believe it can be done but im having a hard time

if u look at the post in pedigrees and bloodline traits its under hardtime hounds the one guy said finley river chief is in hayes hardtime speck

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he said he thought chief was in a ped he posted in another thread. i inspected the ped, and chief is not in it. although, speck and chief might share some ancestors(i bet they both go back to Mack Twain), i have seen no evidence to suggest that speck is a a direct descendant of finley river chief. no matter how bad someone wants him to be, that doesnt make it so. i have never seen over a 2 or 3 generation pedigree on speck and i see nothing in it to link him to chief. it might be there, but i have yet to have it shown to me. I am from MO, you have to SHOW ME, lol.

speck was a full blooded Walker that people didn't like registered as a walker so he was single registered as an english.It's a true story!

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u r right speck was a full blooded walker his mom and dad were dots spot and clays duke king thats all i no lol

------------PELHAMA MISERY
--------CLAY'S DUKE KING
------------WALKERS TENNESEE BANJO
----GR NT CH HARDTIME SPECK
------------DUKES LITTLE ROOSTER
--------NT CH DOT'S SPOT
------------ASHE'S LUCKY QUEEN


that's all i've got on him.

i had seen a ped on river bend flag that had tenn banjo in it and finley river chief as well though there might be a link

-----------------Ch Nitech Johnsons Banjo
--------------Rains Banjo Jr
-----------------Ch Ritchies Rockwell Jennie
----------Grnitech Norman's Coon Stopper
-----------------Ch Nitech Hershbergers Okla. Spot
--------------Nitech PR Hershbergers Kansas Babe
-----------------Nitech Hershbergers Texas Babe
-------Nitech PR River Bend Joe
-----------------Nitech Deep River Mike
--------------PR Smokey Hollow Jack
-----------------Futchs Fanny
----------Nitech PR Spencer's River Bend Dixie
-----------------Ch Nitech Houses Chief
--------------Hawkers Hannah
-----------------Nitech Hawkers Kate
---Ch Grnitech PR River Bend Flag
-----------------Fergusons Sand Hawk
--------------Hodges Virginia Jake
-----------------Nitech Belchers Southern Gail
----------PR Rowsleys Jake II
-----------------Justices Big Bawler
--------------Jacks N.C. Queen
-----------------PR Justices Sue
-------PR Rouse's River Bend Queenie
-----------------Fergusons Sand Hawk
--------------Hodges Virginia Jake
-----------------Nitech Belchers Southern Gail
----------PR Rowsey's Naught Lady
-----------------Nitech Finley River Chief
--------------Chief Little Wendy
-----------------PR Hickles Wendy

flag has finley river chief and johnson's banjo, not tenn banjo. no connection there.