is there any of the old english blood out there close like hayes ht speck nations tapp wilcox jr. etc. either real close like first or second gen and how would you get your hands on some old blood close like that

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I am not 100% but I dont think you will find the Blood your lookin for much closer that the Third or fourth Gen. And thats goin to be a rare find. Its goin to be more around the fifth. It maybe out there but Its defently not being talked about or used. I feel if it was there would be someone using it. I know of a few hounds that were suposed to have been collected that have the older stuff in there third might be some Second. Doubtful though.

You should take this Question over to the Ukcdogs.com and the english Section alot of Knowledge there you might just find your answer. Good luck.

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got a gyp off a guy in ohio with tons of good blood in the second third and fourth, all the pups are doing great out of the cross, but hes not going to breed again for another couple cycles