ole boy told me about taking a victor rat trap, staple a deer gland to it. then set it just off a path and let the hound run up the trail. if they find it SNAP!
got a laugh pictureing it in my narrow mind, but got to thinkink about it and well........... also seen feller shove em barrles with hides and rocks !
i use tritronics. the thing is a young hound with hunt in them will ocasionally bump one and gets away with running a ways before you can really determind it is a deer. i seem to get roped into starting alot of pups 6-8 months old, what do you think, sound safe to try?
No deer pens close.

Thankx for your imput
Dan

THE BARRELL METHOD MAKES THEM AFRAID OF BARRELLS. I douht the rat trap will work either. I use a tri-tronics and a switch. They will usaully break theirselves.

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I agree with the two fellows who already posted for sure. I have found the best way to break dogs from running trash is to put them on trash. Lots of trash and go to training. It takes work, patience and time. You usually have to break them from running scent and sight. Some dogs break faster than others and to be completely honest some never do break completely. Once you get a dog that is flat, dead broke and will tattle on others who are not, you will have accomplished a very rare thing in the hound world. It takes time and hard work. Good luck to you.

thankx guys. hate to but looks like gonna have to loan my shock system out.

I agree. I put my young hounds in deer infested woods with the intent that they bump one. I know what they are after and I can begin a training routine of breaking them off of it.

What is the barrel and rocks and hides method thing that was talked about?

Where I come from it is classified as cruelty to animals. There are better ways, trust me.

deer are everywhere here. i've always thought that if you hunt deer territory with older broke dogs it kind of gets the pup used to the deer smell and they ignore it. they learn to put emphasis on the correct track. i've seen alot of dogs that would bump a deer for a hundred yards or so and then go on, i can tolerate that. have seen a few hounds that would run a deer all nite, that i can't tolerate. as far as the barrel method goes i've witnessed pretty much what coleman has. dead dogs.

I’m Lisa, John Wick’s secretary, and he asked me to post the following for him:

Mr. Coleman:

You never know who might be reading these posts so it’s probably best to be sure of the facts. I NEVER said put deer scent in a tin can and run an electric fence to it. I also never said it will make dogs afraid of tin cans. I’m not sure where you heard it from, but where-O-where do folks come up with these imaginary things that Wick said?

For the record, I don’t believe bottled scents have any use except to take money from our wallets and put it into someone else’s. Every dog I turn loose that’s under three years old is wearing a Tri-Tronics, and I carefully and thoughtfully use it whenever needed.

For small pups, and ONLY FOR SMALL PUPS, I do believe that a deer scent gland wrapped in wire, hanging from an electric fence, can sure help a bunch to seriously bend them--if not break them--from deer. Extensive details about that and all my thoughts on every tree dog issue are in my books. Happy hunting everyone. John

Please pass on my sincere apology to Mr. Wick for using his name with a dog training tip that I thought came from an article he wrote in a hunting magazine.It has been a few years ago that I read this and I thought I remembered it being John Wick that wrote it, but obviously I was mistaken.Please ask Mr. Wick to forgive me and know that I hold him in highest regard in the dog training business.I have often told people, when I loan out my copy of "Walk With Wick" that if John Wick says to stand on your head and your dog will tree coon, it works.Please know that due to my accident and jumping the gun without getting my facts together, and OBVIOUSLY insulting the man that I have always respected as the world's foremost authority on training coonhounds, I will no longer use the coondawgs.com website or give out any training advise.Again, I'm sorry.



Thank You,

Darrell Coleman
Piedmont, S.C.
(864)915-7140

Just to clarify- it was not John Wick that told me about the deer scent in a tin can, it was a fellow named John HAYES that used to own a training facility near me.He told me about it 2 years ago when I called him asking about a dog I had that had gotten collar- wise and wouldn't run deer with a shocking collar on.I take notes and write down things that happen while hunting or training just to try to keep up in case someone encounters it I can say "This happened to me, and this is how I handled it."I also write down advise that others give out on here and their names so I can ask about it if or when I encounter it.I keep all these notes in a notebook for referrence, and even have them devided into sections.When the rat- trap thing came up, I thought about the tin can thing and went to my notebook.I saw "John" as the one that said it, and automatically said "John Wick".I have apologized to Mr. Wick and hope he forgives me.I'm not out to smear anyone's name or give false information, I'm just an idiot that can't keep names straight.For the record- if John Wick says it will help in training your coonhound, DO IT! the man knows.Sorry if my mistake caused any problems for any one else.Ionly hope that my reputation on coondawgs.com speaks for itself and that I may one day know half as much as Mr.Wick has forgotten about training coondogs.

Coleman, you, Sir, are a fine man. I respect your ability to right a wrong and stand up. I for one sincerely hope you will continue to post your advice and opinions on this forum. I have benefited from your posts. Everyone makes mistakes. It is sometimes rare to stand up and admitt it. Your friend in hounds.


Wally Hendricks.

Thanks, LCK. When I read that post and realized what I had done I felt like a major idiot.As I'm sure you know, most of the time when you tell someone something about training a coondog or an experience you've had it goes in one ear and out the other.Every once in a while, however, you'll get a PM or Email or even another post that says "I tried what you said, and it worked" or "you're a genius" or just a plain old "thank you,"and it's hard not to get the swelled head and get into competition to be the first to answer the question and get an "atta boy."That, I think, is why I slipped on the name.I have never tried to take credit for a technique I didn't come up with, never tried to mislead anyone, and if I say I've seen it in the woods, I've seen it in the woods.I never had an internet coming up to ask these questions, just shoe leather and some ruined dogs.I remember being about 12 years old and riding my bike to an old timer's house to get advise on my coondog.He pretty much laughed in my face and told me in not so many words that he was too good a coonhunter to fool with me.If I can help someone out or keep them from getting hurt, I will.I never thought my first correspondence with John Wick would be because I ticked him off, that's for sure.Without a doubt, whether you know his name or not, if you coonhunt, you owe a debt of gratitude to John Wick.By the way, LCK-that notebook that I keep is about 75% answers that you or Chet have given on this board to people in need of help.You guys do a great service.Keep up the good wok.I'm pretty embarrassed,so I think I'll keep my mouth shut for a while.

This is Lisa, John Wick’s secretary. I showed him an updated version of this thread and he asked me to post the following:

Relax Mr. Coleman. I have no problem whatsoever with you. You certainly did not insult me. It was more like a smidgen of aggravation because I’m constantly misquoted by many people in many places and ways. I also regularly see my techniques told in three sentences that took me three full pages to properly explain so that hunters understand the dos, don’ts, and whys. “That just goes with the territory” is what everyone keeps telling me.

As a teenager, I also got very little help and no encouragement. Half of the people who try to play this game are in the same boat as you and I were when we began. That’s exactly why I have written my books and why I sincerely appreciate anyone trying to help and encourage new folks. And you know, even those of us who have been at it for many years can still use an occasional reminder about something we used to know or do but somehow it slipped away. No matter who it is or how long they’ve been chasing tree dogs, there is always more to learn. So, Mr. Coleman and everyone else, I appreciate your sincere willingness to help and encourage folks. Please continue it everywhere you can. Yes, you can quote me on that!