Buckshot, i have sold a litter of pups and keep a female that was a half brother sister cross, i have been told by a lot of old time breeders that when you make a cross like that that usually most of the pups will make some kind of coon dog, Gary Uchtman is areal good friend of mine and i trust his input on breeding as he has bred this strain for nearly 45 years and what happens you double up on the dogs good points and bad ! In my case with my gyp i really like and not to much fault and the same with his Zeb stud so the cross was made and the pups are now 6 months and time will tell for sure ! My pups parents are both out of his old Albert stud and his mother was Coney River Blue Morgan and my NT. CH. females mother was Uchtmans Blue Nicky that last living daughter out of Garys old Ranger IV stud ! What ever you choose, Blessings !

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Have a question How are you sure on what you want to cull unless you keep all of them till there at least a year old or more.

With our hounds they were out of the old Vaughn and Mountain Music dogs and in 1963 the Original Northen Blue Hammer was added wich was out of the old Vaughn stock. Heavy line breeding and inbreeding was done for 8 generations and it continued to produce quality hounds. So we just look at the breeding that was done in the pedigrees and continue breeding the same way. Dave Dean has inbred and line bred for 26 generations now. So it looks like Grandpa Carl and Dave had the same way of breeding the Blueticks in their kennels. Good luck with your breeding program. For the betterment of the Bluetick breed,

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Another question say u breed half brother half sister same sire and then keep them till you have ur pick then cull the bad ones then breed back to sire then keep pups again keep them now with them pups would I now need a out cross or would it be okay to maybe make a cousin to cousin cross any opinions will help

In a life time you cannot breed too close. You can start two different families, breeding three littermates.(One male and two females) Most quit just as improvement begins by outcrossing. When you outcross you start again. If you see papers with several different breeders, that is a sign of a novice breeder. Selection is the key where real improvement is made and inbreeding will help you get there faster than any other method. One thing, for sure, the breeding that is going on now is not making much progress, not much difference between most hounds today compared to 20 years ago. If their breeding was improving they would be getting better and better with each generation and I would say as a whole most hounds are worse. The liver color and blue eye bluetick is a good example. There are a few exception by master breeders and most do not sell.
JTG

So the only time you need an outcross is to get a desirable trait to compliment your breeding program? But a outcross is not necessary?

If you do get a desirable trait by an outcross, chances are you will never see it again and at the same time you are bringing in undesirable traits which, some will be hidden until a breeding in the future will bring them out.

JTG

Alright thanks a lot JTG I appreciate the information have a Merry Christmas.

Breeding cousins is definitely linebreeding--not inbreeding. There seems to be some confusion in this thread about the proper definitions for these terms. Here's a link that should help.

http://www.basenji.org/BasenjiU/Breeder ... rlandi.pdf

Breeding cousins can be more inbred that a brother and sister cross. It all depends on what type of breeding was done in past generations. Wrights has a formula that is used to find the true inbreeding coefficient. There as several computer programs now that make it much easier. Good link you provided.
JTG

I can't get link to work any ideas

Thanks



Breeding cousins is definitely linebreeding--not inbreeding. There seems to be some confusion in this thread about the proper definitions for these terms. Here's a link that should help.

http://www.basenji.org/BasenjiU/Breeder ... rlandi.pdf